2The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan,
and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath,
and Togarmah Genesis 10 : 2-3
Now we are going to look at Gomer's 3rd son Togarmah , it should be noted that Gomer's second son Riphath is not mention anywhere else in scripture beside in the table of Nations listing that can be found in both Genesis 10 and 1 Chronicles 1.
They of the house of Togarmah traded in thy fairs with horses and horsemen and mules.
Ezekiel 27:14
Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
Ezekiel 38 :14
So in these two verses we can see that Togarmah has horses , horsemen , and mules . This fits steppes peoples which is interesting because in the Ashkenaz series we saw that he had horses as well and more than likely was the Scythians . We also see in Ezekiel 38 Togarmah is in the north quarters and he is alot of people as it says house of Togarmah and also says all his bands and many people. Let's look at DNA in the north quarters and see what we might be able to come up with :
Haplogroup N is the most dominant Northern DNA group in Eurasia , let's look at the others :
Haplogroup Q does not seem to be the dominant north quarter at all.
Haplogroup R which apears to be the one that Togarmah's brother Ashkenaz came from .
The DNA maps don't give a completely clear image , but we do know that Togarmah is associated with horses . This disqualifies Haplogroup Q since most of it is Amerindian and they didn't have the Horse domesticated. The culture credited with the first domestication of the horse is the Botai Culture in Kazakhstan.(Botai Culture and Horse Domestication)
Well haplogroup N seems to be the most north quartered based so if we look for a link we come up with : Seima-Turbino_Phenomenon . There could be a circumstancial case made that Togarmah is Haplogroup N.
Now there have been a few people that have long wanted to link Togarmah to the Turks , this actually could be possible even within this hypothesis. Check out this link , this one points to a possible Uralic and Central Asian connection to the Turkish people and then also the Yakuts peoples are the highest level of Haplogroup N in the world and they are a Turkish people who ironically live in the Sakha Republic in Siberia. Sakha sounds similar to Scythia and thus Ashkenaz the brother of Togarmah . So there is a circumstansial case for Togarmah being Haplogroup N in the far north who's houses or descendants swept through Central Asia with there hordes of horses.
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Saturday, April 7, 2012
Thursday, April 5, 2012
Japheth/Gomer : Ashkenaz
The sons of Japheth:
Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and Tiras.
The sons of Gomer:
Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah. Genesis 10 : 2-3
Today we are going to look at Gomer's first son Ashkenaz , he is only mentioned once in the scriptures outside of the Table of Nations so let's take a look at it :
27 “Lift up a banner in the land! Blow the trumpet among the nations! Prepare the nations for battle against her;
summon against her these kingdoms: Ararat, Minni and Ashkenaz. Appoint a commander against her;
send up horses like a swarm of locusts.
Jeremiah 51 : 27
Here Ashkenaz one of the children of Gomer is listed with Ararat and Minni . We know that Ararat was a kingdom called Urartu .
So we know where Ararat was . Minni sounds similar to Mitanni
The problem would be that Mitanni was around before Urartu. So Mitanni can't be the Minni talked about , but a couple of interesting things come from Mitanni : 1 . It is linked to the same language group ar Urartu and that is Hurro-Urartian But looking at the time period of Jeremiah which would be roughly from 640 ad to 580 bc , one interesting name that comes up for Minni is Mannea .Perhaps the most interesting part of this kingdom is that it was defeated for good about 585 bc this would fit the time frame and located on lake Van it is near Ararat . So now we have Ararat and Minni most likely. What we learn about Minni is that they eventually fell to both the Assyrians and the Scythians. The Scythians are interesting because the Jews have long held that Ashkenaz is modern Germany , hence the name Ashkenazi Jews for Jews from there . What's real interesting about all this is that R1a is the Haplogroup most linked with the Scythians , this group has members of German , Slavs , Iranians , and Aryans of the Indo-European language group within it's ranks. Anciently the Scythians ruled the Eurassian steppes thanks to domestication of the horse. Ashkenaz's brother Togarmah is mentioned in the scripture as handling horses : Ezekiel 27:14 We also see in the verse in Jeremiah that mentions Ashkenaz that horses are contained in the verse as well .Years later the Turks would replace the Scythians on the steps , it might be noted that the Turk's DNA group is next to impossible to find and usually they seem to be Haplogroup R1a the same group as the Scythians. All this circumstancial evidence could point to Ashkenaz actually being German Peoples, reading through the DNA paragraph
you will notice that R1a makes up 60 to 70% of modern German males , this is the same Haplogroup that makes up a good portion of Slavic peoples , Iranian peoples , Indo-Aryans , and many Turks along the steppes here is a map of distribution of 1 of it's subclades :
One final potential link of Ashkenaz with Indo-Iranian Peoples is that the Kingdom of Mitanni (the olderone) has evidence that it was ruled by a Indo-Iranian class over the common people that had the Hurro-Uratu languages
So in conclusion the evidence points most likely to Ashkenaz being R1a , but there is a possibility that he may have been the Hurro-Uratu language family , however the use of Horses by his brother and the geography just make it very difficult to view Ashkenaz as any group other than Scythians.
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